Hi Jun, glad you found this helpful. It will void your warranty, the possibility for making errors or breaking things during installation is too high, and the amount of time it takes would make it cost prohibitive. I am beginning to suspect that Gaggia created as many combinations of wiring configurations and colors as they made machines. If anyone is 3d printing the enclosure and doesnt want to tape or otherwise attach it to the Gaggia, I have made these small hooks that can be glued on to the enclosure: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4938828. Warning! I have not changed any of the P, I or D settings on my controller. Run two 12 volt wires from the + and terminals of the solid state relay and out the back of the Classic, again using the same slot. it works better than poor mans preinfusion described by wholelatte love & Lance in the youtube. Converting CUSIP-6, CUSIP-8 and CUSIP-9 to ISIN in PHP, How to automatically block WordPress bot spam without a plugin, which I ordered as an inexpensive kit with a thermocouple and a solid state relay, PID installation in Gaggia Classic causing shortcircuits ColorMag, https://wiki.wholelattelove.com/File:GAGGIA_CLASSIC_2019_Wiring_Schematic.pdf, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UETVv0qgz-w, https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/, https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/195229/in-a-light-switch-how-can-i-tell-if-the-black-wire-is-really-hot-and-the-white, https://www.reddit.com/r/espresso/comments/owpfe7/i_made_a_lego_enclosure_for_rex_c100_pid/, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LODGP2E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1, https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4243840, https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4938828, https://www.reddit.com/r/gaggiaclassic/comments/l5tfcj/mr_shades_pid_installed_decided_to_mount_inside, https://calbryant.uk/blog/well-integrated-pid-temperature-control-of-a-gaggia-classic-espresso-machine/#better-temperature-regulation, https://www.vertex-qis.co.uk/Manuals/PT100_con.pdf, https://photos.app.goo.gl/8yPwJcEPDi1c5tfY7, https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xp37S3o3y6bqqrEk8, https://www.shadesofcoffee.co.uk/post-2018/gaggia-classic-2019ri9480power-switch-mod. Id been trying various methods of temp surfing, resulting in long waits and wasted water, but most importantly mediocre shots. Always work with the Classic unplugged. 3: For owners of the Gaggia Classic ProRI9380 240Vversion, please check the installation guide "KIT-GG_Classic Pro US 120V_Installation". Hi Ray. The PID will show the temperature, and be somewhat confused by its inability to reach its setpoint, however the PID is bypassed in the same way when the GCP is in steam mode. Feel free to hang out, learn a bit, meditate, ride a bike, or perhaps it's just time to move on. Everything else (Auber and Mr Shades) includes an M4 thread on their pt100. https://www.vertex-qis.co.uk/Manuals/PT100_con.pdf. For the Gaggia Classic, taking into account the temperature drop between the boiler and the group head (5-8 degrees C), the PID target temperature should be set to about 103 degrees C or 220 degrees F at sea level. Specifications : 2: The add-on item option "extra wire defeating auto-off timer" is for the Gaggia Classic Pro European model (RI9480, 240V), which has the auto-turn-off timer feature. Have you written an article regarding installing a Gaggiuino mod? 4.8. So you could measure water temp at the group head at 180 deg F with the PID set to 204 deg F. There is some interesting information here: https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/. The steam mode has its own thermostat, which is very similar to the brew thermostat that the PID replaced, except that its temperature range is more or less as you described. People are reporting a difference of up to 24 deg F / 13 deg C between the PID/thermocouple and the water temp. You could definitely drill out the adapter a bit to get the thermocouple to fit. Anyway, thank you Chris. Do you think that REX-C100FK02-V*EN (designed for K-type thermocouple) is compatible with RTD (PT100) and is not going to create long-term problems with the machine/setup? Just leave the SSR disconnected, or dont install it at all. It would also be a bit of a weird machine, but this approach wouldnt require any mods or re-setting of temperatures to use the machine to brew. It is a really tight fit to get the REX C-100 PID inside the machine. Wear a glove when reaching in from below, otherwise bloodletting is likely. Would you be able to post starting values for the PID kit please? The steam temperature controlallows the boiler temperature to be held at a tighter range during frothing. I plan to do this shortly for my old gaggia classic. Tap the neutral mains: disconnect the lower wire from the mains connector at the back of the Classic. We have an earth leakage wiring system in our house, but in many countries, these are not standard. My next thought was that the controller wasnt reading the correct temperature. Is there a way to tap into +/- 12Volts inside the GCP? Thanks again for the write up, Ill be playing around with temperature for the next week! The YouTube video from wll about replacing the boiler made the whole thing very easy. You can take a look at this discussion about offset in the Gaggia Classic: https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/. I grabbed some screws from my parts bin, I took whatever I could find that was the same color as my filament, and that would fit the holes and hold reasonably well. Did I miss any other kits? 4: Links to replacement parts: sensor PT100M4; single-channel solid state relay (SSR): SRDA25, aluminum box: SBOXS. Note that my mod is to a Gaggia Classic, not a Gaggia Classic Pro. Hello. You wont need the heat sink, the GCs case does that job for you. (I am not testifying to the quality of the shots! Thus, it will significantly improve the taste and consistency of your espresso. Whole Latte Love has a new video about preinfusion on the classic. Heres a picture of the screws I used, with screwdriver for scale: Great article and development, congrats! Its getting very hot indeed so turned it off. PID Kit for older plastic body Gaggia Classic. With a PID controller added to the heater control circuit, brew water temperature can be controlled to within 1 accuracy. Also, the diagram of the controller lists SSR to connects to terminals 9 & 10. This is not a difficult mod. Did you try it? The SSR is only rated for 5 amps. Hi Nish. 6. Hi, thanks for the articely, it was great help to do the initial steps. The only suprise for me has been that installing steam kit did not help me much because brewing kit alone helped to have great steaming power by only watching temperature climb up to 150 degrees. I think Mr Shades has managed to do this using only cables because I dont think he instructs anything to void the warranty. Once these bolts are removed, the boiler can be moved around without having to disconnect any hoses or wires. You should be able to find the switched mains with the help of a multimeter. All buttons on the Gaggia machine function the same way as they were. From the factory, the GC has two thermostats, one for brew, which the thermocouple + PID + SSR replaces, and one for steam, which stays untouched. robert kujawa 348 subscribers Subscribe 85K views 1 year ago In this video I'll install a PID unit on my Gaggia. If you purchased the kit from our website, you can download the manual zip file from our website by one of the following methods: Note: Any ideas? (Markings can be found on front side of the plug) 2-Check the color of the cable which shows L sign on the plug- meaning Live. The taste of a real Italian espresso everyday! Maybe this could serve instead of trying to find an M4 thermocouple. In a nutshell, the Gaggia Classic thermostat is replaced by the combination of the the thermocouple, the PID, and the solid state relay. Perhaps you are refering to the video by Damian Witonski. Let me know your thoughts !!! Please be sensible and install a grommet anyway! If the wiring in your machine is different from our installation guide, please contact us. Shades uses an XMT7100 modified to run two SSRs: a DA for the brew temp and an AA for the steam temp. The ability to make good espresso is one of the most coveted skills in the coffee world. There is definitely a falloff from the temperature reported by the thermocouple at the boiler and what you will measure at the group head. Log in or sign up to leave a comment. And this is the thermometer out the back. Autotuning had resulted in shot instability up to 10 degrees during a shot probably because conditions during standby and during brewing are very different than each other. It seems the wiring varies even within model years, and between model regions. Our provided installation manual is based on the Gaggia Classic 2016 (model# RI9403/11). Your wiring looks right. I can do a more detailed writeup of what Ive done if anyone feels like helping me find out whats not working properly! Mr Shades is selling many small items (piggyback, spade, thermal paste, power cable, rubber grommet etc.) The biggest problem was the fact that the brew water control did not work: the SSR was never switched on by the thermocouple output. This way you are not losing any pressure via the solenoid valve, you are just reducing the initial pressure to the puck by venting some of it through the steam wand. Once warmed up, the recovery time is quick and the swing is fairly minimal. I would like to use it for steaming ONLY. Left or right side if facing the front of the machine? Ill dismantle on a cleaning weekend and test the thermocouple again. Thermocouple included: M6*1 thread , K type , 2m cable 103 or 105 is good. There is no 12v anywhere in the GCP, its all mains power inside. Ive followed these instructions and installed the mod using the REX-C100, SSR, K-type thermocouple and brass adapter linked in Chris excellent writeup (Thank you Chris). AUBER. Hi Peter. The C-100 can accommodate only one sensor/SSR, so you would only set it for brew temperature. sv4mzu 20, 2022 8:05 am. The only cable arrangement I had to change after installing the PID was switching those cables in the back, the one on the top I had to put in the bottom, and the one on the bottom in the top, otherwise the PID would stay on when the machine was off, and off when the machine was on. On thing I realised is that Mr Shades does not allow purchasing the parts seperately unless you already purchased the kit as a whole. GAGGIA CLASSIC - MODDED. $326.00. Instruction Manual: The instruction manual & installation documents areonly available for download for customers who already purchased the kit. To set the target temperature, press the 'Set' button on the front of the panel. This video clearly shows how to program in an offset on the Rex C-100: https://youtu.be/9aW8MfiKIPg?t=291. For questions, please contact us. Hi Chris, The only other thing I can think of is the relay. Auber Forum PID Kits for Coffee Machines PID Kits for Gaggia . I will purchase the PID kit with thermocouple and SSR from aliexpress and buy these rest small items from Mr. You effectively would have two steam modes, one PID-controlled that replaces the brew mode, and one classic thermostat-controlled steam mode. Ive tried connecting these in various combinations but the PV readout is 3 or 4. however the one SSR is nice and the modification gives upgraded steam with the solder mod. I am glad you got your setup working Murat. No extra button is needed to press for frothing. BREWING UNIT RE-SETTING AND CLEANING. Which Auber PID for Gaggia Classic? I am not surprised, Mr Shades runs an honest business, and those parts are being offered at low prices. Useful link. I am now waiting for my PID unit and thermocouple with M4 head to arrive this week. Does the wiring youve supplied automatically shut the PID unit off when you engage the steam switch? This is sold on amazon I just installed the pid on my Gaggia classic Pro following your instruction guide. These are located around the shower screen. I think this is why using a separate SSR and controller is the only way to go. Most likely they will have the same connector types as the REX-C100, but its always possible that you will need different connectors depending on what you end up ordering. Thanks. I like the quality of the shots, and temperature consistency is more important to me than pressure consistency. Jun 25, 2014 - Auber Instruments, Inc. PID KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home, Pre-infusion [KIT-GGP] - Update: This kit is compatible with the latest Gaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the regular version (RI9380, 120V, or 240V) and the European version (RI9480, 240V). Im running into problems and I dont know if my REX-C100s starting values are the problem or if its my deviation with the wiring: Regardless of the temperature that i set on my PID, toggling the Gaggia on causes it to climb to 150-160C and then slowly decline to 118-125C, at which time it will heat up again. Keep the thermostat, in case you want to return the Classic back to factory condition. if i understood not adding a steam will give better steam? The PID gives you consistency. Using pliers to pull the connectors can pinch them on even more tightly, making them extremely difficult to remove. Visit store Contact. Poll Moved Topic. By doing this, the TC bead is pressed against the boiler housing at the point closest to the boiler water, and is assisted by the thermal transfer compound. Might be easier for most folks to buy an M4 screw, type K, thermocouple direct vs trying to get the probe version then another adapter. The result was overshoot of up to 18C and an inability to return to the setpoint temp, 105C, unless I shut everything off and restarted. Hello, How do I ensure that Im tapping the neutral mains? PID temperature control kit for Gaggia Classic Pro 2018+, Classic & Home. Its crazy. Is it possible, despite setting the temperature to 102 degrees Celsius as SV, to actually run GCP much hotter due to incompatibility of the PID and RTD? Ive been reading up many different values for the P, I and D, and im not sure where to start. Terrific write-up thank you for posting it! I found this M8 female to M4 male reducer: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284317077676. Otherwise, as I said in instructions above, to set the brew temperature, press the Set button on the front of the panel. Hi Jun. This is because the switch is connecting the terminals vertically when it is turned on. Is it possible to do this with the GC factory temp sensor? I hesitate to identify wires by their color, as the wire colors in the Gaggia seem to vary from year to year and from region to region. I am flattered, but will have to pass. Based on several comments, the wiring varies between units, even though they are the same model. If in doubt, sit it out, and get some help. SKU: N/A Category: Accessories,Espresso Machines Tags: -GG-CLASSIC-PCB, $100-$300, $200-$300, 12annivexcluded, 13tierexcl, 300-600, Accessories, auber-instruments, gaggia, obalist, SA-GG-CLASSIC-P, SA-GG-CLASSIC-PCR, . The enclosures purpose is first to protect you from the mains current, and second, to make it easier to attach the PID to the Gaggia. Without offset the range is between 109-159, still too low. This is probably the most difficult part of the installation. I start to run the steam at about 130 in the heating cycle on my setup. Does anyone else have this kit? Close. You should now have two mains wires, two 12 volt wires, and the shielded thermocouple wire running out of the back of the Classic. The C-100 will fit in vertically, with the screen facing up. [KIT-GG] Auber Instruments, Temperature control solutions for. Chris has done a great job on this write up and its easy to follow. 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