Virpil pedals are much, much lower to the floor and accommodate a wider stance which, as a 66 man, I greatly appreciate. 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. You must log in or register to reply here. You might want to look for something with versatility since a lot of REALLY nice sticks try to fit specific requirements, like DCS OR ELITE rather than DCS AND ELITE. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. I have an idea from my previous setup, but never really got round to completing it for Exploring and even negotiation of the galaxy map, I need to sort this finally as Im using an old DK2 VR and must stop the temptation to use my keyboard, or mouse. Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. It would be wrong to say that TECS "worthily follows the line of VKB engineering tradition . Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. Second, know that the current incarnation of the Virpil throttle box may simply be too much for most users. It feels more robust than the Logitech X-52 and X-56, but lighter than the all-metal Thrustmaster Warthog. From scanning the reddit here it seems that VKB and Virpil seem to have similar quality and satisfaction from those who have bought, so after that it really does come down to how it feels in your hand and actually trying out the buttons and the layout, which is something you dont get to try until youve already made a decision and honestly something that others cant help with. They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. In this review, we'll take a closer look at Virpil's MongoosT-50CM2 throttle, comparing it with the popular Thrustmaster TWCS. Toe in and out being the most prominent I can see. So far Im extremely impressed. My favorite set of kit is called the Virpil Constellation Alpha, which, when coupled with a throttle, does an admirable job of controlling commercial aircraft. What little product is actually available even used equipment is going for wildly inflated prices. Still, you cant really go wrong with either choice. I used this for my warthog. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. Yes I followrd their guide. Both the MCG (right hand only) grip and Kosmosima Premium (left or right) have plenty. Logitech, Thrustmaster, and many of the big name manufacturers are out of stock everywhere you look. I've had 2 springs snap, which has pretty much taken my left stick out of commission (I've heard the NXTs actually ship with replacements -- mine didn't). Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. The full analog mini on both (plus the option of the second which is switchable from digital hat to analog on the fly on the MCG Pro) offers additional axes besides the main X/Y. Initially it was all a bit daunting but after a fair bit of reading various threads this is where I'm at A bit about my requirements - Got to be desktop based. While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Your right, MFG's have been on the market longer than the Virpil Ace's, but I couldn't identify a lot of difference, except maybe some of the adjustments you can make on the MFG's that you can't make on the Virpil pedals. Good news for fans of Microsoft Flight Simulator, Elite Dangerous, and Star Citizen. Here's my mapping for Elite, perhaps a little out of date re: some of the macros I mentioned above, and admittedly I use my LH stick weird (sideways oriented as a throttle) so I've converted an axis to 'relative' mode with a button as reset, which removes it from use as a button in-game. You can watch some youtube teardowns and see that VKB pays attention to the internals in a really impressive way. It's easy! VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a . I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). Perhaps toe break tension as well. If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. Is the base the same on both? But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. I have a Virpil cm2 throttle and a vkb gladiator nxt. and our If anyone has alternate suggestions for awesome, high quality flight sticks. Its unique to you. Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. That's it. , So, I am currently having a hard time choosing between the two flight sticks that seem to be most likely to fit my needs; those options being Virpil VPC Constellation on WarBRD base and VKB Gunfighter Mk3 'space combat edition.'. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. When you run the Virpil Joystick tester, do all the analog axes and button inputs show up? I just received my left handed Virpil Alpha and its one of the best gaming peripherals Ive ever had. Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. I didn't say ED provided a game setting for Virpil. The thing that really sold me on it is that the hat switches and mini sticks on the the top are completely modular, so you can literally just drop whichever one you like to suit your purposes without having to take apart the stick. Another highlight for me were Virpils Ace Interceptor Rudder Pedals. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a additional electronic/mechanic adapter ($60), but their Gunfigther Mk.II* base wasoptimized for deal withWarthoggrip weight. I've taught myself how to use Virpil software, but the VKB software looks much more complex and the documentation seems lacking (translated) with many features only described in forum posts. It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. In terms of bases I like my VKB base a bit more than my Vipril base. I have the same Virpil throttle. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This unique state of art device is already out of "development" phase, and is currently entering "preparation for serial production". First, the documentation on these products ranges from awful to non-existent. The only things I don't have as mapped out as I'd ideally like for VR are camera and perhaps fighter pilot commands. Its high-end equipment is currently in stock. What do you mean by splitting axes? > Sales For more information, please see our (The Alpha-R is on backorder along with the MongoosT-50CM2 grip as well). When it comes to calibration and programming, you will similarly need to find your own way with the community of users on YouTube and on message boards as Virpil offers next to no help in getting things squared away. I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. Maybe you should try moving some to other ports on your computer if you haven't tried that yet. ED doesn't 'see' any controllers using the bindings files, check whether you can actuallly bind any of the controls to an action and then create your own bindings file. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. Previously I had played spaceflight simulation games with a single stick and throttle, which is known as a hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) setup. JavaScript is disabled. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. Just use the Virpil configuration software, click the box for split by 32 buttons on the profile page and calibrate it. 3 - anyone with theses setups i am conimg from a logitech x56 how to they compare in terms of build quality and feel? This alone has made me settle on getting the Virpil base. (e.g. I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn34PHd34x4, Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8odaH98Yms. Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. This applies to the connector between grip and base. Sorry to resurrect the thread, but I've have my MongoosT-50CM2 throttle for a couple of months and my Constellation Delta should be in this week. Theyre also beautifully powder coated, and come with all the bolts you need to make the attachment to the Constellation. Is anyone using Vjoy or a simiar program(s) to solve this problem? All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. VIRPIL hardware key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out, https://virpil.freshdesk.com/en/supes/47000029808-vpc-software-quick-start-guide, HOTAS Warthog Flight Stick - Thrustmaster - Technical support website, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/controls-not-sticking.558432/#post-8792964. Been rocking dual gladiator Ks for a while now (they have been discontinued and replaced with the NXT) but just recently, with just under about 6 months of use I've been having a few small things breaking. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. Ok yes the firmware and software was installed. Everything about it is perfect. The VKB software also allows an enormous amount of customization like a shift key action to double up on everything or (what I find sufficient) a 'tempo' function so a quick tap vs. a longer press has 2 different operations for buttons or certain hat positions. - VKB gunfighter base vs Virpils bases: VKB has a dry clutch. Yes I followrd their guide. Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). I read somewhere that you need the virpil software to tell the OS that it's 2 different inputs. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy (~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. Ive been taking it for a test drive on my custom-built flight rig. It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. Im looking at either going the virpil mongoos T-50 CM2 base with the mongoos T-50 CM2 grip or constellation alpha grip with the 200mm S curve extension for 554.81 euro (905.89 aud) (includes shipping). The Gunfighter is apparently available so even though I probably don't need it, common sense might desert me and I'll plump for the pricier option just because I cant wait. Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. Press J to jump to the feed. > Q&A Those look awfully nice. It works perfectly with all buttons. How easy was the software to learn? I was hoping for something like this for Virpil Hotas. I have a good comparison of VKB and Virpil looking at the Modern Combat Grip (Their other premium grip, recently being re-released in an all-metal build) and the Constellation-Alpha, and they perform nearly identical in my opinion.. My personal experience with VKB's Kosmosima grip (the grip that comes in their MK3 space combat edition package) is very negative. I want to choose the best one for nice grip and feel, reaching buttons with s/med hands, good button placement, usability with Elite and SC, easy twisting for yaw and good centring with no drift. I will be using the TM Warthog grip with a stickextension, so if anyone happens to run a similar setup on either the VKB or Virpil yourthoughts will be greatly appreciated. Both multiple cam and spring force options. 04.08.20|The sheet for the Throttle has been updated (a button was missing). You basically have the exact situation as me, except that I am using detachable desktop mounts to put the stick and throttle at a better hight for my arms, which I can then move them out of the way after play, like you had to. I don't predict it being a huge game changer, but it's kinda the first time we've had an all metal grip in a high end joystick. I have a VKB stick/pedals and a Virpil throttle, and I feel that VKB hardware is higher quality overall (mostly due to the electronics/internals). Did you a manage to get your bindings for Elite dangerous ? Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Both are great sticks, I have both of them and use extensions with them - however I have not tried using the Warthog grip as I am happy with their grips. Most people get around this by using software such as Vjoy, Joystick Gremlin, or JoyToKey. JavaScript is disabled. Still other manufacturers are taking pre-orders, and then banging out new units as quickly as they can. And every one but a single dial is bound. That brings the price for a full HOTAS mounting solution closer to $180. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. The VKB is slightly more refined whilst the Virpil is heavier duty. Cookie Notice - Virpil WARbrd vs VKB: WARbrd base has movement range of +/-22 degrees, where as the VKB bases have +/-15 degrees. But as far as quality of the gimbals, both are fantastic. Have a look through the Virpil forums. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer . Also, I did notice some defective materials in the batch of products that I received. You're not running all your USB devices through the one hub are you? Swapping out the throttle for another stick meant that I had to constantly hold the left-hand stick forward to maintain forward thrust. It may take time. For using the Warthog grip, the easier to work with would be the Virpil base, as it uses the same pinout/connections. I have the twist adapter for the original MCG and while the twist itself is great, the ergonomics of the MCG grip are not the best for twisting (as it was never really designed for that). Unless you know where they are on the sticks, it'll be very confusing. It may show you something you did wrong. Probably a little bit of a chore to swap them out. Vs the VKB Gunfighter MK3 with the modern combat edition grip and 200mm s curve extension for 433.13 euro ($707.21 aud) (includes shipping). Anyone use Vjoy or similar to get past ED's 32 button limit? WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. I've gone back to a single, non-split profile, still nada on any of the three axes . Complete your WWII Flight Sim setup with this GNX Combo Throttle I plan on positing a review of the mcg ultimate once I receive it (should be getting it later this week hopefully) if you're curious. So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? I have an in-depth write up here. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. I've spent the last couple of days researching all this so here is my thought process which may also help with your decision. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/request-for-more-than-32-buttons-virpil-throttle.443129/page-4. > DIY All rights reserved. Powered by Invision Community, 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. Edit: Didn't realize that winwing sticks were metal. This is significant. I do use pedals too but haven't even mapped twist on my right hand, so that's itself not a limitation if you didn't intend to use them. I can't speak for Virpil's interiors but I've been inside the grip on my VKB and the way they use independent little boards with pin receptacles to link things together on the Kosmo Premium is amazing, and would be very easy to obtain parts for repair if only one control were to fail for any reason. Privacy Policy. By choosing I Accept, you consent to our use of cookies and other tracking technologies. Bring from the UK, shipping was not too bad with about a week to wait after dispatch. So I did that, but two things happened: one was checking in Windows, I saw THREE T-50 CM throttles, although ED now could see all the panel buttons and switches. HOTAS (hands on throttle and sticks) All rights reserved, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. Don't use the Windows or any third party stuff. Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. I'm not an expert by any stretch, I only intend to use this for Elite Dangerous. My VKB Controls My Universe Gladiator NXT Joysticks Shop our Gladiator NXT EVO Series of Joysticks Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Left Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Right Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Left Hand $175.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Right Hand It may not display this or other websites correctly. If youre going HOTAS, Id recommend getting something from Thrustmaster instead. So I accidentally broke my TM Warthog yesterday, not a fun experience. It will simply store your configuation under "custom". It took me 6 months before I could get my order in for the Alpha. Please also read our Privacy Notice and Terms of Use, which became effective December 20, 2019. If I had to choose one it would be an Alpha L or R whichever was needed, and as a pair Virpil arguably makes the best HOSAS you can get. Just got the Virpil Constellation Alpha-R grip with the Warbrd base, as well as the 50 CM2 throttle and elite doesn't see any Virpil hardware. Right? Maybe you should check out youtube and see the posts about how to do the setup. The right-hand stick still has complete control of pitch and yaw, while rudder pedals handle roll. Virpil's compression springs in the Mongoos are nice, but the WarBRD doesn't use them. Question on the VKB customization software? In all honesty, I am leaning toward the virpil stick, but what I want to know is are their hidden pros or cons to each stick that I should know about and is the additional ~$80US for Virpil (and the wait) worth it over the VKB? What 'limit' are you talking about? Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. No rush though, as we all know its not a quick in out game. Nevertheless, late last year Virpil sent along a selection of its most popular flight gear. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. Between the WarBRD and Gunfighter options it really seems to come down to personal preference and I'll never know without putting my hands on each. Either way, in terms of quality and build at least it seems like a toss up. I would think it should be enough. Virpil's software isn't very intuitive.

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